Kayleigh Kozak, campaign director at the America First Policy Institute, said that more than 1,100 survivors have used Kayleigh’s Law to secure lifelong protection from their perpetrators. She made these remarks on the Grand Canyon Times podcast.
“In the first year that Kayleigh’s Law was enacted, over 1100 victims petitioned the court for a natural life injunction,” said Kozak. “That’s 1100 victims that were able to secure their protection from their perpetrator. Regardless of what’s happening and what their perpetrator is pursuing.”
In 2021, Arizona enacted SB1412, commonly referred to as Kayleigh’s Law. This legislation allows victims of serious crimes, including sexual assault and domestic violence, to obtain lifetime no-contact injunctions against their offenders. According to Legal Services for Crime Victims in Arizona, the law enables survivors to petition the court for permanent protection regardless of whether the offender is on probation or has completed their sentence. It was the first law of its kind in the United States and was inspired by Kozak’s personal advocacy.
A 2023 report by 12News highlighted that in the first year after Kayleigh’s Law took effect, Maricopa County courts issued 868 lifetime injunctions at sentencing. Additionally, another 62 victims successfully filed for retroactive protections. This data underscores widespread early use of the law and highlights the demand among survivors for permanent safety measures.
Before Kayleigh’s Law was enacted, Arizona victims were typically granted orders of protection or injunctions against harassment lasting only one year. The Arizona Judicial Branch noted that this law introduced a significant change by offering lifetime no-contact injunctions, eliminating the need for victims to reapply annually for continued safety. This legal shift marks a substantial improvement in long-term victim protection.
Kozak is a nationally recognized victims’ rights advocate and the namesake of Kayleigh’s Law, which she championed following her own experience as a survivor. According to the America First Policy Institute (AFPI), she currently serves as its Family First Campaign Director and has helped pass several bipartisan victim protection laws, including initiatives addressing child sex trafficking. Her advocacy focuses on legal reforms to enhance safety and justice for survivors.
The AFPI is a nonprofit, non-partisan research organization founded in 2021 with a mission to advance policies benefiting American families, workers, and communities. As detailed on its official website, AFPI promotes principles such as liberty, free enterprise, and national greatness. The organization is structured around a leadership team comprising former government officials and policy experts.
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Leyla Gulen: [00:00:00] All right, here we go. In three, two. Juan, welcome to the Grand Canyon Times Podcast. I’m your host, Layla Golan. In this episode, we welcome our guest, Kayleigh Kozak. Kayleigh is a prominent victims’ rights advocate based in Arizona, known as the Anti pedophile girl. Her namesake Kayleigh’s Law reflects her transformative work in legislative reform and survivor protection.
She serves as the Family First campaign director at the America First Policy Institute, where she leads national efforts to empower families and strengthen legal safeguards for survivors of sexual and domestic abuse. Kayleigh, welcome and thank you for being here to share your story.
Kayleigh Kozak: Thank you so much for having me on.
I’m really excited for this opportunity. And just to dive right in.
Leyla Gulen: Likewise. So before we explore Kayleigh’s Law, what [00:01:00] prompted you to be an advocate for survivors of domestic and sexual violence?
Kayleigh Kozak: So, like so many others, I am unfortunately a victim of childhood sexual abuse. And I call it the Reader’s Digest version of my story is my perpetrator was sentenced to, what I was told was, um, lifetime probation and.
Imagine my surprise in 2020 when I discovered that lifetime did not mean lifetime. Um, and in fact he was actually eligible to get off probation, and if he was able to get off probation, I would be left with no protection. That was the only thing that was protecting me or the terms of his probation. And so I knew something had to be done, and that’s where I dove right in.
Leyla Gulen: So many times we hear, uh, once the perpetrator is out of jail, uh, they’re from, they’re back with society again. They have a bone to pick. They have a chip on their shoulder, and that makes the victims vulnerable once [00:02:00] again, and in some cases in a much more violent manner.
Kayleigh Kozak: Yeah, absolutely. It’s, and if there’s nothing in place preventing them from having any type of contact with you.
There’s nothing stopping them. They, they have no consequences. And I just was not okay with that because victims endure so much from the moment that they’re violated, especially through the entire judicial process. And to know that that’s not enough to give them protection, it, it just wasn’t Okay. And that’s.
I, I, I knew I had to do something, and so Kaylee’s law was just the tipping point of those efforts.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah. Uh, who was your perpetrator and how old were you when this, uh, abuse started?
Kayleigh Kozak: Yeah, so I was, um, in sixth and seventh grade, and he was my physical education teacher, um, and also my club soccer coach. So I literally could not escape this man.
Leyla Gulen: Oh God. Uh, are you free [00:03:00] to share his name? Do you wish to share his name?
Kayleigh Kozak: I do not. Okay. Um, so he is, that would be giving him attention he does not deserve. Okay. Um, and he, you know, to me is just, um, a horrible human and I don’t, um. That’s just kind of the, where I’m at with that. I don’t feel the need to give him any more attention than, you know, what he, what he was.
Um, he was in a position of trust. Um, he groomed everybody, the school, the club. Um, it’s actually really common. Um, you know, as a society, I think we’ve been conditioned to look for the, the. The creepy guy is who we’re, we’re taught to look out for. And we need to, that, that stigma needs to go away. We need to be teaching our children and society to be paying attention to the charming narcissist who’s working overtime to captivate everybody in their circle.
Um, and that’s, that’s part of the grooming process in their plan. It’s all, [00:04:00] yeah.
Leyla Gulen: Isn’t that the truth? You know, so many times they, they hide in plain sight, right? They are members of all kinds of community organizations. Their, uh, name is out there. They’re active, they’re gregarious, they’re affable people in so many instances.
So, so it’s common to think that those who are maybe closest within their circle, they think. This guy. No way. Yep. Absolutely not. Absolutely right. Yep.
Kayleigh Kozak: It’s all part of their plan, and they work overtime to fulfill that image that people have of them. So if and when they’re caught, there are more people running to their rescue and to.
To be, you know, have their back than people who believe it. Um, and that was the case with me. I mean, the entire soccer club stood by his side. Um, and they did not believe that, and they didn’t know it was me, but that what the victim was claiming was to be true. Mm-hmm. And it was not until they heard a, um, recorded one party consent [00:05:00] call, um, where he admitted to everything that I think it really hit them that, oh my gosh.
Everything she said was true and real. Wow. He did do these things and that’s
Leyla Gulen: what it took and that’s what it took. So, okay. I really, I wanna get into Kaleigh’s Law and where you’re filling in the gaps where the law is failing the victims, but you know, so often the victim is not. Believed it takes moving mountains for a victim to actually be believed and for credence to be given to their story.
Why is that? What do we need to do as a society to change all of that?
Kayleigh Kozak: Oh, I don’t it. That’s a really difficult question to answer because like I said, these guys work over time and I always like to share this piece and hope that people truly understand what I’m saying. Even I unknowingly turned him in because I did not.
He had [00:06:00] me, so I was a little girl. He had me so convinced that he wasn’t actually hurting me, um, causing damage that this was different and it wasn’t sufficient enough. Um, and so when I turned him in, I, I, when I told him, when they called my parents, it was not that my parents didn’t believe me, but they did not believe it was him.
In fact, he was the last person that they would’ve suspected. Um, and I think too, for them, because he was also a coworker of my mom’s, um, my mom worked at the school. And so I think for them it was also very hard to, and you have, we have to think of it like this too. No one likes to feel like they’re on the opposite end of that, of being betrayed and blindsided.
Sure. Um, and so I think that naturally we have a safeguard up as humans, right? Like, no, we, we would know if something was wrong, we would know if this person was harming a child. Mm-hmm. You know, we have discernment and we’re aware. [00:07:00] Um, and unfortunately that’s just not how it works. When it comes to true pedophiles, every decision that they make is very intentional and precise.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah.
Kayleigh Kozak: And so. You know, my parents, I think it was even for them, they, they couldn’t allow themselves to believe it until they heard the confrontation call of him admitting to everything.
Leyla Gulen: Wow. Wow. I know. And, but I think more and more now, people are less discerning because everyone’s kind of wrapped up in their own business.
You know, their eyes are not open to the world or to signs. ’cause I think in many cases there could very well be signs, but if you’re not. Attuned to them, then you’re not going to see it. But then of course, in, you know, after the fact, nobody wants to think, oh, I, I was blinded. You know, I, that that’s a fault on their character or their ability to kind of see the world.
Uh, so it’s more of a, you know, an, an admission that [00:08:00] they were not in tuned with the world around them.
Kayleigh Kozak: I agree. I agree.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah. Completely.
Kayleigh Kozak: Yeah.
Leyla Gulen: That, that’s a shame. Uh, well, you’re, you’ve been doing tremendous work and I wanna talk about Kaleigh’s law now. So, so what does the law set out to do where current laws that are in place have failed victims?
Kayleigh Kozak: So what makes Kaley’s Law unique is that it is very specific in its definitions, wording, um, and even who it protects. It’s, it’s very narrow and that it allows a victim to serve the perpetrator at the time of sentencing. Rather than after they may have the terms of their probation modified and or lifted.
Um, you know, sex offenders are actually dealt with very differently in every state, um, in, in every way. And so in some states you have level one and two that actually are able to petition to get off the sex offender [00:09:00] registry after 10 or 25 years. Mm-hmm. Um, and when that happens, a victim doesn’t have protection specifically in Arizona.
The reason that I brought this to the attention of the courts and the judicial system was because, like I said, in 2020, I had to reface my abuser in court and ask the judge not to lift his probation because if they did, I would have no protection from him. I would not even be able to petition for a six month restraining order.
Mm-hmm. Um. And so we wrote Kaylee’s Law and it gives victims natural life protection. And we go so far as to specify that it is, you know, intact until the victim or the defendant dies. Um, because we did not wanna give any loophole. We have actually had to amend Kaylee’s Law in Arizona several times because we had a judge try to seal and set aside a natural life injunction.
Mm-hmm. Um, and it’s very. When you, when you create a new law, there are a lot of, you know, loopholes that [00:10:00] present themselves and situations where you take a step back and say, oh, we, we, that was an oversight. Um, for example, in some of the codes that we included, um, stocking, strangulation, voyeurism, were not within that penal code.
So we actually had to go back and amend the law to add those three penal codes. That a victim of stalking strangulation or vo uh, voyeurism was able to petition the court and have that natural life injunction.
Leyla Gulen: Mm-hmm. And, and voyeurism. That’s really interesting because that is a form of abuse. So can, can you just talk a little bit about voyeurism?
’cause that seems to really be catching fire all over the place. Uh, that people think that it’s okay to, uh, film people in their most vulnerable state. Without their knowledge.
Kayleigh Kozak: Yeah. And for sexual gratification, it’s not, I mean, it’s wrong regardless, but we’re seeing more and more of that, right? Like 10 years ago, even recording people, [00:11:00] um, you know, without their knowledge was nothing compared to what we’re seeing today.
And so with the voyeurism aspect, we’ve had many cases in Arizona and nationwide, whether it’s, you know, people in the bathrooms recording, um, or the mirror situation that we hear of all the time. Uh, all of that Airbnbs hotels, you know, that’s, that’s what voyeurism is and there are many victims of voyeurism.
And so I was just thrilled that we were able to capture that so that the victim of that crime would be eligible to petition to have that natural life injunction from their perpetrator. Hmm.
Leyla Gulen: That’s very important. So, so you had to fight the courts in 2020, and then, if I have my facts correct, you passed Senate bill 1412 and it was signed into law in 2021.
Kayleigh Kozak: Yeah. So yes, that was the initial Kaylee’s law was 14, 12. Okay. And then amendments since then? Yeah. Yep.
Leyla Gulen: Okay. Now, over the last six months, you filed two lawsuits and the second one was targeting the prosecutor, [00:12:00] who you say gave a sweetheart plea deal to your perpetrator. So can you tell us what, uh, is going on with this latest case?
Kayleigh Kozak: I cannot make any comment pertaining to any lawsuit.
Leyla Gulen: Okay. Okay. So it’s, it’s currently in process?
Kayleigh Kozak: Yes, ma’am.
Leyla Gulen: Okay. Okay. What has been the impact of this law over the last nearly four years now?
Kayleigh Kozak: Oh, that gives me the chills. Um, it is, I, it’s something I’ll never be able to fully understand or grasp. Um. It really is doing the work and then just having to kind of walk away.
But I do know that in the first, uh, year that Kaleigh’s law was enacted, over 1100 victims petition the court for a natural life injection. And that’s 1100 victims that were able to secure their protection from their perpetrator regardless of what’s happening, um, and what their perpetrator is pursuing.
Leyla Gulen: Mm, that’s that’s fantastic. [00:13:00] In some of these cases. Do these perpetrators just kind of move away from wherever they victimized these survivors or where the victims currently live? How do they go about getting jobs once they’re released from prison? Um, you know, with having that kind of a record, knowing that pretty much every job you apply for does a background check.
Kayleigh Kozak: Well, I don’t necessarily think that’s one of the arguments that the pedophiles like to use is I had a hard time securing a job. Well, that’s because you’re a convicted felon. Um, and if you were really worried about securing a job, you should have thought about that before you touched a child and violated them sexually.
Right. Um, but truly, um, they, they do get hired. Um, yeah. They just cannot work around children. Rightfully so. Um. And so it’s really, I don’t wanna say it’s no different than anybody with a criminal record or background, but you know, you, they will [00:14:00] not be able to go and apply for a job that involves children at any capacity.
Um, they can work in warehouses. They can do construction. There’s tons and tons of things that they can do. That don’t have anything to do with children. Um, and so I think it also depends on the terms of their probation. You know, there are a lot of mitigating factors that play into it, but they’re able to get jobs for sure.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah. I see. Do you find that Kaleigh’s Law, as it stands today, that it solves the issue of properly protecting or ensuring the protection of these victims? Are, are there still gaps in the justice system and how do we go about implementing this nationwide?
Kayleigh Kozak: I, I do think that, listen, we’re never gonna be bulletproof, but we can narrow the gaps.
You know, it’s kind of like if you, for anything, you know, speed limits, is everybody gonna follow the law? No. Are people gonna get tickets? Yes. Um, I. And so there is no bulletproof law. I think things would be a lot [00:15:00] better if they actually, it’s not the severity that serves as a a deterrent, it’s the certainty.
And so, um, I think that we have narrowed the gap in providing, first of all, providing victims the protection that they deserve from the person who’s already been convicted of harming them. Second of all, it. It is actually on the opposite end, and not that I like this argument, but it, it allows a judge to give a little bit more leeway to a perpetrator because knowing that this one piece will stay intact, that they cannot contact their victim, but they can pursue other things and a little bit more leniency or maybe different options.
They may be more inclined to work with the perpetrator, um, on that, which I don’t like that argument. I think that they deserve everything that’s handed to them. Um, also if we wanna look at it from, from a financial, you know, standpoint, which I think is probably why a lot of people are against this. When we’re serving at the time of sentencing, there is no confusion.
There is [00:16:00] no, uh, possibility for them to take the victim back to court. This natural life injunction is in place and so we’ve just eliminated several court dates that could follow decades later. Mm-hmm. Take my case, for example. Um, my perpetrator was convicted and sentenced in 2007 and. In 2020 we had to go back to court.
And since in the last year actually, um, he has filed 13 motions, um, to have the terms. He just, all kinds of things. His whole case, he wants just. All the things. Um, and so look at how many court dates that is that he has been able to access. Um, but just having that one piece in place, it, it really is an, a seamless law, um, that protects, it’s, it’s prioritizing a victim and giving them the protection that they deserve.
Leyla Gulen: Mm, I swear when you say narcissist, talk about narcissistic just. Totally cavalier about the whole situation, even though that they’re [00:17:00] convicted felons and they still have the audacity. Oh, yes, yes. Yeah. It’s, um, and,
Kayleigh Kozak: and you know, with my case, I just, I, it’s very hard for, I. He was facing 25 years in prison and, um, he requested lifetime probation in lieu of prison.
And now he’s decided that he wants things to change and I have no say he has rights and I am here to just, um, you know, I guess like I’m just kind of in the passenger seat. I don’t, I don’t get a say in all his motions and petitions and it’s awful because we were told Lifetime. My parents never would’ve agreed to this.
Had they known that this was even gonna be a possibility?
Leyla Gulen: Well, it’s quite unfair when you’re changing the goalpost in the middle of the, uh, game. Mm,
Kayleigh Kozak: yes.
Leyla Gulen: So, yeah. And, and to not have a, a stake in that. Um, you know, as the victim. As the victim, not a bystander, but as the actual victim. You’ve [00:18:00] done a ton of advocacy work.
I know that you are. To bring Kaley’s Law to other states. What’s the reception been? How far along are you in that journey? No,
Kayleigh Kozak: it’s taking a little longer than I would like. Um, you know, it’s interesting because I’ve actually gotten more support and help in states that are more Democrat led. Um, not that it’s really gone anywhere, but it’s been really hard to get Republican states to pick up on this.
And I don’t know if it’s because it’s not a priority or what if they, I think a lot of people actually probably assume that there is. Already a law like this in place when there’s not, um, again, what makes Kaley’s Law so unique is that it does serve at the time of sentencing and a couple states do offer what very minimal, um, opportunities for victims of certain crimes to inquire about having a lifetime [00:19:00] injunction, Texas, Tennessee.
But they’re very vague and the process to which. Like a victim must pursue. To have that enacted is so it’s, it just makes me sad because it shouldn’t be that much work for a victim to have protection. So I would like to see those states enhanced. Mm-hmm. Um. In California. We ran it last year and it did die in committee.
Um, we ran it again this year and it did not die except for reconsideration. Uh, their argument is just asinine. Um, and it goes back to the fish school piece of it, but I, I always look at, you know, it takes a couple years and I actually worked on a law that took three years to get signed into law here in Arizona, and we can totally talk about that, but.
You have to look at the wins. And in California, the first year it was in judiciary committee, we had a Democrat vote against her party and vote yes for this. That’s a win. Yeah. We, we actually had the same thing happen this year. And [00:20:00] so for them to go against their party in committee where they know it’s going to die and or be held and still speak up, that’s a win.
That means we’re moving the needle and I am okay with that. I think that is, it’s, um, a huge piece of this.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah, I, it’s a, a David and Goliath situation, but we all know what happened to David. We all know what happened to Goliath. And I think, you know, it just takes time and the right people to support what you’re doing.
Um, and, and the altruistic, I. Endeavors that, you know, you’re using your own personal story to help other victims. And we know that there are going to be future victims. This is not something that will just all of a sudden stop, uh, in 2025. This happens every single day, and there are new perpetrators and new victims minute to minute.
Um, yeah, I, I know that you also have an entrepreneurial spirit. Uh, what endeavors are you embarking on now that benefit these victims and survivors?
Kayleigh Kozak: Well, [00:21:00] I like to, when I find the loopholes in the law, I like to write other bills and create laws, um, because it’s, it’s hard and it, you know, when you’re going up against the judicial system in itself, the legislature, I mean, all of it, it’s, it’s hard and it is very defeating.
But it is a po. You know, it, you can, it’s possible you can make it happen. I’ve seen it. It takes, uh, an entire, you know, spark to start an entire blaze. Um, I was very honored and blessed when I was approached and appointed a position for America First Policy Institute as their family first campaign director.
So I’ll be working. Congratulations. Uh, thank you. I will. I’ve stepped into that position and it’s been incredible. So just to fight, to empower families ultimately, you know, protect children. Protect parental rights, um, all of that. So I feel very honored to, um, have been appointed that position.
Leyla Gulen: That’s fantastic.
Uh, well congratulations on that again. And, uh, so what, where do you hope to take this and, [00:22:00] and what is next for you this year and in future years in that role?
Kayleigh Kozak: So I, we would like to codify all, uh, president Trump’s executive orders, um, and ensure that the states are complying with what has been, you know, ordered, which is, you know, females are, will be protected.
We’re protecting females in sports. Um. The mutilation of children. I never in my lifetime thought that we would have to fight for parents to not mutilate their children. There is no such thing as gender affirming care for a minor. If you are having your child operated on to have their genitals removed, that is mutilating your child.
That is child abuse and. I will not everything in my power to prevent that from happening ever again. It is not okay. And on taxpayer dollars at that, people don’t realize that a lot of those surgeries are being covered by our taxpayer dollars. So we feel very passionately about [00:23:00] just codifying these executive orders and ensuring that the states are complying with them.
Yeah. Um, additionally. We’re seeing a lot of states pursue language, um, to, to label misgendering a child as child abuse. Meanwhile, there’s children that are actually being abused. We’re seeing states pursue things, um, like eliminating mandated reporting. Doing, doing what’s called mandated supporting, um, which is terrifying.
Um, you know, we also want to help with the foster care. You know, there’s a real crisis in the foster care system and these children, they deserve loving safe homes. And so we’ve got to do better in America to give those children that. So those are just some of the goals and the things that we are pursuing.
Um, you know, and that I’m pursuing in this role as the family First campaign director.
Leyla Gulen: I think that is fantastic. Uh, I know it, it’s true. It’s, it’s hard to imagine that this many [00:24:00] years into this country’s foster system that children are still being placed in abusive households and being exploited. It is such a crime when there are so many families out there in need and want of a child to take care of and to raise.
It blows my mind. It’s
Kayleigh Kozak: mine too. It’s awful. It is just, and, and we, we can do better. Um, and so we we’re going to, things are gonna, things will look up and we are gonna do more to protect our children holistically.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah, definitely. Um, and speaking though of child abuse and in the education system, just in the last week, it would appear that there have been at least.
5, 6, 7 reports that we know of, of these teachers who have been caught having sexual relationships with their underage students. Yeah, and [00:25:00] I don’t think I’ve ever seen a flood quite like this. I mean, you hear it from time to time, but the perpetrators are usually women.
Kayleigh Kozak: Oh yeah, it’s definitely, it’s increased and I cannot even fathom why.
Um, I don’t understand. It’s, I think last year, um, I. I’m trying to think specifically, in Arizona, the percentage of teachers that were placed on leave just for, um, accusations of sexual misconduct with their students was I, I was somewhere in like the 70, 60 to 70% of the teachers that were placed on administrative leave were because of sexual interactions with students.
Um, I, unfortunate, unfortunate, who are these people? I, I know. Are they in the
Leyla Gulen: education
Kayleigh Kozak: system?
Leyla Gulen: This
Kayleigh Kozak: is crazy. Well, there’s, you know, there’s minimal, they’re so desperate for educators. There’s minimal requirements to get in anymore. Um, there is no proactive measures in place. They. [00:26:00] I mean, accusations, people, students can come forward and they’re not believed, they’re not heard, they’re not listened to.
Um, and then these school boards, they’re also not doing, I mean, there was just a law passed, oh gosh, I can’t think of the bill number in Arizona. I. To actually, um, amplify the mandated reporting, you know, to school boards and things. And so there’s just increasing all these things, but there’s nothing in place that is requiring a lot of these educ people in the education system to, to do this reporting.
And people don’t believe these student, it’s just awful. It’s so awful.
Leyla Gulen: That’s crazy. So what advice do you have for people that if they suspect something, if they see something, you know, they say you see something, you say something. What advice do you have for those that truly do recognize something is amiss, something is wrong?
How do I go about reporting it? What do I do next?
Kayleigh Kozak: You can, you can [00:27:00] mandate report anywhere. I mean, you can even call the hotline, you know, and report something. I think unfortunately, people kind of, to your point, what you said earlier, like people are just so. They’re just in, we’re in these selfish modes right now.
Yeah. Um, you know, as a society. And so they don’t wanna get involved and they don’t want to, they question, well, what if I’m overthinking? Or what if, you know, I don’t wanna get involved. I don’t want to put this family in a bad position if nothing is happening. Um, and my advice to that would be I be proactive, not reactive.
If you truly suspect that something is going on, make a phone call. Um. It is not worth letting a child continue to be abused. And they say, well, what if nothing does come of it and you know that family’s life is ruined? I, I know that, that those things happen and it’s awful, but we can’t let children continue.
I. To be abused at the expense of a what if. Um, and it’s, it’s just, it’s, it’s a very hard [00:28:00] situation, but if you have any suspicion of a child being domestically abused, sexually abused, you know, anything, any sort of neglect, um, just report it. Just, just do the right thing and report it.
Leyla Gulen: Very good. And how do people get in touch with you?
How do they follow you to learn more about all the work that you’re doing in the community?
Kayleigh Kozak: So probably Instagram, my website. I cannot get my website back up. I would love to give that to you, but it’s, I don’t know why it’s down. Well, I’m still working on that. They can,
Leyla Gulen: they can find you though at the America first, um, policy Institute, correct?
Yes.
Kayleigh Kozak: Yes, they can find me there. Um, I’m most active on Instagram. Um, so that’s where I like to do most of my educating, um, you know, on things that are going on because, uh, something, if you start paying attention just in general is what’s portrayed is not an actuality. And so people see these headlines or they see these bills, and I always just like.
[00:29:00] Bang my head against the wall. Like that is not at all what this is. Oh, and the problem with that is when people, when they see that, they think, oh, the problem is being handled. There is a consequence. Um, or, you know, a law that’s gone into effect that will prevent, or, you know. Cover this, and that’s not at all what’s happening.
I could, I could give you 15 different situations and laws all over America where what’s portrayed is not an actuality. And so the, the people think that it’s being dealt with and it’s actually not. I. Yeah.
Leyla Gulen: Yeah, indeed. And, and your Instagram handle, what is it? It’s the Kaylee Kozak. Okay, perfect. Wonderful.
Well, Kaylee, this has just been a tremendous time talking to you. I really appreciate you being so candid and sharing with us your own story, but all the wonderful work that you’re doing on behalf of other survivors and victims of domestic and sexual abuse. Thank you so much for all the work that you do.
Kayleigh Kozak: Thank you for, you know, allowing me to come on [00:30:00] and, and share with you. I really appreciate the opportunity.
Leyla Gulen: Absolutely. Alright, standby for one
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